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so this is "The Deck".after looking it over, it looks VERY weak. how in the WORLD did this deck ever win nationals? i see very few battle winners and this deck seems like a piece of cake to tear apart in game
Stage 1: There's no way that that is better than standard SamStage 2: I guess I could see how that would workStage 3: Well maybe I could give it a test runStage 4: This is the best deck ever
Quote from: New Raven BR on August 15, 2012, 06:59:32 PMso this is "The Deck".after looking it over, it looks VERY weak. how in the WORLD did this deck ever win nationals? i see very few battle winners and this deck seems like a piece of cake to tear apart in gameQuote from: Drrek on August 14, 2012, 04:59:26 PMStage 1: There's no way that that is better than standard SamStage 2: I guess I could see how that would workStage 3: Well maybe I could give it a test runStage 4: This is the best deck ever
Quote from: New Raven BR on August 15, 2012, 06:59:32 PMso this is "The Deck".after looking it over, it looks VERY weak. how in the WORLD did this deck ever win nationals? i see very few battle winners and this deck seems like a piece of cake to tear apart in gameI couldn't disagree more. If this deck gets a good draw, it could very well be a three turn game against anyone. Battle winners aren't necessarily needed; my deck doesn't have even one. Also, looking at a deck and simply saying it's weak without having played it at all is:1. Rude, destructive criticism2. a shallow, unfair assessment. I would definitely revoke your statement about the deck, and about making posts like that in the future.
How does this deck work? I can see it is very fast, and has the ability to out-draw somebody just like that. But is drawing really all it takes to win these days?
Quote from: cookie monster on November 09, 2012, 11:50:50 AMHow does this deck work? I can see it is very fast, and has the ability to out-draw somebody just like that. But is drawing really all it takes to win these days? Pretty much. Well, and searches.The Deck practically assures you're going to get one of two key parts to a combo in the first 8 cards. In fact, you'll get several parts of different combos. A lot of times, you'll even draw Simeon + AutO or a similar hard to stop banding chain. If you don't, there's Zadok Anoints, Isaiah's Call, etc. The offense is a powerhouse. You'll easily be able to take the lead, negating their characters, and sometimes their enhancements as well, and when you don't, it's difficult for them to be able to take all of your heroes. Furthermore, you can interrupt most of their stuff. So, Super Band, negate, walk-in/negate FTW. They won't be able to hold you off probably at all, but if they can it'll only be briefly (until you get up Simeon/Jacob/Seraph/Daniel/Michael, etc.)
Quote from: Westy on November 09, 2012, 02:29:26 PMQuote from: cookie monster on November 09, 2012, 11:50:50 AMHow does this deck work? I can see it is very fast, and has the ability to out-draw somebody just like that. But is drawing really all it takes to win these days? Pretty much. Well, and searches.The Deck practically assures you're going to get one of two key parts to a combo in the first 8 cards. In fact, you'll get several parts of different combos. A lot of times, you'll even draw Simeon + AutO or a similar hard to stop banding chain. If you don't, there's Zadok Anoints, Isaiah's Call, etc. The offense is a powerhouse. You'll easily be able to take the lead, negating their characters, and sometimes their enhancements as well, and when you don't, it's difficult for them to be able to take all of your heroes. Furthermore, you can interrupt most of their stuff. So, Super Band, negate, walk-in/negate FTW. They won't be able to hold you off probably at all, but if they can it'll only be briefly (until you get up Simeon/Jacob/Seraph/Daniel/Michael, etc.)Why does it seem that Simeon is in this case better then Sam? Last event I was at Sam was top dog?!?! And it seems people like Jacob again? when I last played Jacob was good for very little and not used in the top speed decks!Wow, the game has changed lately! But this time it is not because of a new set, just a new deck of the old set.
Quote from: cookie monster on November 10, 2012, 06:45:18 AMQuote from: Westy on November 09, 2012, 02:29:26 PMQuote from: cookie monster on November 09, 2012, 11:50:50 AMHow does this deck work? I can see it is very fast, and has the ability to out-draw somebody just like that. But is drawing really all it takes to win these days? Pretty much. Well, and searches.The Deck practically assures you're going to get one of two key parts to a combo in the first 8 cards. In fact, you'll get several parts of different combos. A lot of times, you'll even draw Simeon + AutO or a similar hard to stop banding chain. If you don't, there's Zadok Anoints, Isaiah's Call, etc. The offense is a powerhouse. You'll easily be able to take the lead, negating their characters, and sometimes their enhancements as well, and when you don't, it's difficult for them to be able to take all of your heroes. Furthermore, you can interrupt most of their stuff. So, Super Band, negate, walk-in/negate FTW. They won't be able to hold you off probably at all, but if they can it'll only be briefly (until you get up Simeon/Jacob/Seraph/Daniel/Michael, etc.)Why does it seem that Simeon is in this case better then Sam? Last event I was at Sam was top dog?!?! And it seems people like Jacob again? when I last played Jacob was good for very little and not used in the top speed decks!Wow, the game has changed lately! But this time it is not because of a new set, just a new deck of the old set.Simeon is very good because he can band to any prophet, so you can go him to AUtO to Moses, or him to Daniel to more banding, or him to Isaiah, and so on. He can start a ton of banding chains and they are FBTN or pseudo-FBTN (a lot of times actually better than FBTN). Jacob can band to any silver hero, so he can do AUtO to Moses, or he can band to Seraph to get any of the prophet banding chains going. Also for both of them, your opponent is extremely likely to be playing some prophets and/or Angels in their deck, and you can also do fun things like steal a Sam deck's AUtO and exchange him to your deck, or you can steal their entire Sam banding chain off Simeon if you like.
Quote from: Drrek on November 10, 2012, 09:12:24 AMQuote from: cookie monster on November 10, 2012, 06:45:18 AMQuote from: Westy on November 09, 2012, 02:29:26 PMQuote from: cookie monster on November 09, 2012, 11:50:50 AMHow does this deck work? I can see it is very fast, and has the ability to out-draw somebody just like that. But is drawing really all it takes to win these days? Pretty much. Well, and searches.The Deck practically assures you're going to get one of two key parts to a combo in the first 8 cards. In fact, you'll get several parts of different combos. A lot of times, you'll even draw Simeon + AutO or a similar hard to stop banding chain. If you don't, there's Zadok Anoints, Isaiah's Call, etc. The offense is a powerhouse. You'll easily be able to take the lead, negating their characters, and sometimes their enhancements as well, and when you don't, it's difficult for them to be able to take all of your heroes. Furthermore, you can interrupt most of their stuff. So, Super Band, negate, walk-in/negate FTW. They won't be able to hold you off probably at all, but if they can it'll only be briefly (until you get up Simeon/Jacob/Seraph/Daniel/Michael, etc.)Why does it seem that Simeon is in this case better then Sam? Last event I was at Sam was top dog?!?! And it seems people like Jacob again? when I last played Jacob was good for very little and not used in the top speed decks!Wow, the game has changed lately! But this time it is not because of a new set, just a new deck of the old set.Simeon is very good because he can band to any prophet, so you can go him to AUtO to Moses, or him to Daniel to more banding, or him to Isaiah, and so on. He can start a ton of banding chains and they are FBTN or pseudo-FBTN (a lot of times actually better than FBTN). Jacob can band to any silver hero, so he can do AUtO to Moses, or he can band to Seraph to get any of the prophet banding chains going. Also for both of them, your opponent is extremely likely to be playing some prophets and/or Angels in their deck, and you can also do fun things like steal a Sam deck's AUtO and exchange him to your deck, or you can steal their entire Sam banding chain off Simeon if you like.I've never thought about steeling my opponent's AUtO I should try that. does there AUtO go into your deck and become yours for the rest of the game (assuming your opponent does not do the same thing to you)?
Quote from: cookie monster on November 10, 2012, 09:18:03 AMQuote from: Drrek on November 10, 2012, 09:12:24 AMQuote from: cookie monster on November 10, 2012, 06:45:18 AMQuote from: Westy on November 09, 2012, 02:29:26 PMQuote from: cookie monster on November 09, 2012, 11:50:50 AMHow does this deck work? I can see it is very fast, and has the ability to out-draw somebody just like that. But is drawing really all it takes to win these days? Pretty much. Well, and searches.The Deck practically assures you're going to get one of two key parts to a combo in the first 8 cards. In fact, you'll get several parts of different combos. A lot of times, you'll even draw Simeon + AutO or a similar hard to stop banding chain. If you don't, there's Zadok Anoints, Isaiah's Call, etc. The offense is a powerhouse. You'll easily be able to take the lead, negating their characters, and sometimes their enhancements as well, and when you don't, it's difficult for them to be able to take all of your heroes. Furthermore, you can interrupt most of their stuff. So, Super Band, negate, walk-in/negate FTW. They won't be able to hold you off probably at all, but if they can it'll only be briefly (until you get up Simeon/Jacob/Seraph/Daniel/Michael, etc.)Why does it seem that Simeon is in this case better then Sam? Last event I was at Sam was top dog?!?! And it seems people like Jacob again? when I last played Jacob was good for very little and not used in the top speed decks!Wow, the game has changed lately! But this time it is not because of a new set, just a new deck of the old set.Simeon is very good because he can band to any prophet, so you can go him to AUtO to Moses, or him to Daniel to more banding, or him to Isaiah, and so on. He can start a ton of banding chains and they are FBTN or pseudo-FBTN (a lot of times actually better than FBTN). Jacob can band to any silver hero, so he can do AUtO to Moses, or he can band to Seraph to get any of the prophet banding chains going. Also for both of them, your opponent is extremely likely to be playing some prophets and/or Angels in their deck, and you can also do fun things like steal a Sam deck's AUtO and exchange him to your deck, or you can steal their entire Sam banding chain off Simeon if you like.I've never thought about steeling my opponent's AUtO I should try that. does there AUtO go into your deck and become yours for the rest of the game (assuming your opponent does not do the same thing to you)?No, the AUtO goes to the opponent's deck, because you cannot have opponent's cards in your deck. However it gets more complicated when you exchange the auto with a judge in your territory.
As it's ruled now (I think...), then you have a judge in battle instead of AutO, and they have the AutO wherever it was exchanged (i.e. their hand, deck, territory, discard pile). However, since it's akin to Seven Wicked Spirits, there's a good argument it should become yours if in territory, because cards reset to their natural state in deck/hand/discard.
