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50 cards
Angel of the Winds
Polycarp
Justin Martyr
Daniel (CoW)
Simeon (Di)
Paul (Promo)
Barnabas (TEC)
Epaphroditus
Peter (TEC)

Sword of the Lord (K)
Visions
Plague of Disease (FoM)
Faith of Gideon
Overcome!

Gam's Speech
Brother's Conflict
Eternal Covenant
You Will Remain
The Great White Throne
The Ends of the Earth
City of Enoch
Coliseum

The Deciever
The Serpent
Women as Snares
Naamah
Tubal-Cain
Zillah
Lamech, the Avenged
Corrupt People

Continuous Evil
Violent Tendencies
Wickedness Abounds
Corrupt Earth
Disobedience
2K Horses

Destruction Soul
Lawless Soul
Prosperity
Escape Soul
Dull Soul
Imitate Soul
Open Hand Soul

SoG
TSC
AotL
GoW
3W
CM
FA (W)

Reserve (10):
John the Revelator
BotL (RoJ)
WoTT
HSR
4DC
The Flood
DoU
Violent Men
Wicked People
Foreign Wives

I'm still changing things a bit with this deck, but it's been working pretty well so far. Main combo is Epaphroditus with side battle stuff. Because of this, the defense has to be fairly bulky, so I'll probably want a bit more. Antediluvians are great for this though, as they have lots of recursion, and a side battle card of their own, which i have found to be incredibly useful. The 4 new antediluvians that were added in this set are AMAZING. They really boost the power of this defense, as well as giving a much needed speed boost. Corrupt earth is also very good for taking out hard to target cards, especially with lamech.
Antediluvians have many options when they are in a side battle, (Corrupt earth, Wickedness abounds, DoU, The Flood, Grapes) which all take out evil characters or heroes, making this the optimal choice for any side battle based offense.

Somethings I may to take out:
Women as snares - Doesn't work in side battle, so not as useful as I'd like her to be
Continuous Evil - Really only good if lamech and or Zillah get taken out. Eveyone else is pretty expendable and speed isn't really an issue on defense.
Wicked People - i just never use him.

Things i want to put in:
Babel - This in combination with coliseum is super strong. It can also be used for some extra speed if needed.
Treasures of war - Artifacts are annoying, and zillah can grab it from the reserve, so it seems like a good choice.
Fall of Man - give the oppoenet even fewer options in a side battle, an can be used as a battle winner if needed.
Hope - Interrupt and add to battle useable by 4 of my heroes, and a great hero for inish on the other side.

I don't have any of those three evil cards though, so I haven't actually tested them yet.
Anyways, hope you like this deck, and if you have any feed back, I'd love to hear it! 

 

Tubal-Cain to 4DC for a sneaky d4 on defense, I like it! 

Also, even though she doesn't trigger in side battles (similar to Women as Snares), I would still use Damsel in any Pale Green defense I build. The look/draw is just too strong to leave out in my mind.

Between Great White Throne and Eternal Covenant, it feels like you should never run short on Heroes so I might consider cutting one to add one more GE. Faith of Samuel seems like a pretty good candidate (also makes Daniel more effective).

I find your lack of IaC disturbing.

Normally I would agree with you, but despite Epaps importance to the offense, he's not necessarily the hero you want turn 1, making GWT a better choice in my mind

Quote from: kariusvega on July 09, 2018, 02:04:35 PM

Sweet concept thanks for sharing

Are you clarifying you haven't tested those 3 cards or the deck at all?

Looks fun I want to try it

Hope seems like a great add since it's 0/12 for guaranteed initiative

Yes, I haven't tested those three at all. I've only been using this deck for a few days now. I ran it at a local friday night, 2w2l, changed it a bit Saturday and played against my friend who had a similar deck for 2w/2l again, although they were all really close (5/3,5/3,5/3,5/4), and I played two games on sunday against two different people and won both.
Hope is something I've considered, as it works on both sides, but I'm not sure it works quite as well in here as I'd like it to. I'll add that to the list of things to try out though!

Keeping in mind Joy makes Epaph cbn

What really is the purpose of Coliseum? Feels like Babel is strictly stronger for the same purpose and redundant with both. I can identify multiple cuts and cards that make this deck far more consistent.

Auto Gideon for example and Angel from the Sun cutting Daniel, Angel of the Winds, and Simeon. What is City of Enoch doing exactly besides being an R&D target or getting you one extra Antediluvian you could have got anyway some other way that serves more than only that purpose? Like perhaps Wages of Sin or Broken Covenant

No Coliseum allows you to play the best blocking enhancement in the game: Scattered - which your offense isn't afraid of.

I'm really trying to figure out your soul selection here.. War seems like a no brainer but maybe not..

What is Destruction soul doing for you?

By the way you may find Hope and Cloud of Witnesses with Faith of Gideon to be your best friend in this offense

HSR Women as Snares Disobedience

Probably needs a few three woes counters, otherwise its just going to sit on epap all day.

Corrupt Earth does the trick. 

Keeping in mind Joy makes Epaph cbn

What really is the purpose of Coliseum? Feels like Babel is strictly stronger for the same purpose and redundant with both. I can identify multiple cuts and cards that make this deck far more consistent.

Auto Gideon for example and Angel from the Sun cutting Daniel, Angel of the Winds, and Simeon. What is City of Enoch doing exactly besides being an R&D target or getting you one extra Antediluvian you could have got anyway some other way that serves more than only that purpose? Like perhaps Wages of Sin or Broken Covenant

No Coliseum allows you to play the best blocking enhancement in the game: Scattered - which your offense isn't afraid of.

I'm really trying to figure out your soul selection here.. War seems like a no brainer but maybe not..

What is Destruction soul doing for you?

By the way you may find Hope and Cloud of Witnesses with Faith of Gideon to be your best friend in this offense

HSR Women as Snares Disobedience

Oh boy, theres a lot here. 

1) good point, I'll probably try this as well
2) Having both coliseum and Bable shuts down a lot of possibilities for them. It's just extra power, though it may be overkill. again, I haven't played with bable yet. 
3) Auto gideon is too splashy for me, especially in a meta that really punishes splash. AftS is a good option, but I'd only use him for justin. Daniel is my substitute for cloud of witnesses, because I like him better than CoW because he can grab back visions as well as FoG (I actually played with CoW for a few games, but didn't like it that much) AotW can grab anyone. I just like the versatility. Simeon is the best band i could find for paul. He's another green hero, and he has a great protect, as well as being cbn. Better than Seraph, Claudia, or Leaders imo. City of enoch gives extra speed in two ways: grabs an EC, then i can discard it with corrupt people/Continuous evil to grab something else. Wages is too splashy for my tastes, and I just personally don't like BC enough to use it. I used it for a while in the past, but it never seemed good enough to use it more than once in almost any game i played
4) good point, I do love scattered! One nice thing about both scattered and coliseum is if i think one is more useful that the other, i can discard it with corrupt people/Continuous evil for more seraching
5) Yeah, that probably is a better idea than the destruction soul. I just found there were a lot of placed enhancements that were annoying, and i had an open soul slot.
6) HSR is something i may consider taking out. It's really stong though, and super easy to grab with tubal-cain whenever i want. Agree with WaS, but i really like disobedience. It's a recurable negate! Although, I always like running my decks to be very negate heavy, so take that for what it's worth.     

Thanks for the suggestions, and I'll definitely try a bunch of these!