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There's been a little discussion lately about releasing official tokens for the game now that Majestic Heavens is getting some token-making friends in GoC. It seems like most people are on board according to the poll on Facebook, but I'm curious to know people's thoughts on how to go about distributing them and paying for them and such.

Should they replace Commons in packs like Legacy Rares? Should they just be "free" with one randomly put in each pack? If so, how many distinct tokens should there be in order to make that worth it and would that add to the cost of the pack? Maybe they're randomly inserted in only some packs but not all. Or should they not come in packs at all and just sold like singles straight away? Or maybe given alongside promos for tournament participation?

Obviously this is all up to Rob and to some degree his advisory Redemption Elders so similarly to the Starter Deck think tank this is by no means an official announcement that tokens will happen or that the majority opinion will get enacted. Just a place to get some ideas out there past saying "of course I want official tokens".

Thoughts?

I just opened up a box of GoC and noticed that the territory class explanation was printed on the inside of the cardboard packaging for each individual pack from TeP.  It should be pretty easy to do the same thing again but just having it be a token, either with phase 2 or maybe only in GoC super packs or in subsequent expansions or whatever. (with the new packaging)  That way, there is little to no added cost and people can just cut them out and don't even need to sleeve them. 

There are also plenty of Classic cards that could act as tokens.  I'm sure there are hundreds of Ahithophel being used to prop up uneven end tables that can once again be put to good use.

I like the idea of a tokens pack. Because they are not something that is needed, just nice to have. And maybe when phase 1 and 2 are combined or the next set add some into packs. adding them into the combined packs for GoC would give some extra value to the packs after people had already had access the set from phase 1 and 2 packs. Also I'd suggest raising the price a little and flipping them in for some of the I/J and tin cards to give more variety to the extra cards in the packs.

I prefer for tokens to just be small pretzels or M&Ms. That way, if they’re removed from play, I can just eat them. I always get snacky when I play redemption. And besides, how unique is it to rescue with a pretzel or M&M, or have one of those in your LoB?

I prefer for tokens to just be small pretzels or M&Ms. That way, if they’re removed from play, I can just eat them. I always get snacky when I play redemption. And besides, how unique is it to rescue with a pretzel or M&M, or have one of those in your LoB?

Well we did see pringles in a side battle on the discord. So I think your on to something there , Derek. Hopefully they don’t melt on your AoC playmat.

Tokens are similar to energy for Pokemon. It's required but no one really cares or wants to actually buy them so they get included with basically any card product you buy as a bonus. For our game, I could similarly see tokens being added as "bonus" items in a pack, but I would NEVER want to see a card slot in a booster pack for new cards be replaced with a token I may or may not use. However, I do think that Cactus could offer some "official game token" product, whatever that is. Maybe just the printables would be sufficient. Some of the cooler ideas are less so due to the vast number of tokens you may need for cards like The Church of Christ. I was going to suggest a coin that has a different token's name and stats on one side and a different on the reverse so you play it with which side you need facing up.  But you'd potentially need 20 plus coins.

I also hope that tokens are not something that lead to specific rules in the future on what can and cannot be used, thus forcing players to buy a specific thing to use cards that generate tokens. Tokens are definitely a fun concept, however, in application, I think it's best to be flexible on what can be used which will allow a certain element of creativity for payers using cards that create tokens.

How about an official Token pack that Cactus could sell that would include a sizable number of Tokens, Majestic Heavens, and then a new promo card to give further incentive to buy it? So instead of increasing the price of boosters, we make a one time purchase and have enough for our collections?

I would be onboard with this idea.

I would also be onboard with a printable token already sized that could be printed on some heavy stock, cut out and used as is... OR printed on regular paper, cut out and adhered to one of the umpteen classic cards I have laying around...

Godspeed,
Mike