Author Topic: Lineage of Christ (Spoilers) (Read 112891 times)

Gabe · « **Reply #225 on:** January 17, 2020, 10:14:38 AM »

For those interested in what the 10 old cards will be in traditional LoC card boxes:

https://www.cactusgamedesign.com/product/lineage-of-christ/

777Godspeed · « **Reply #226 on:** January 23, 2020, 06:10:02 PM »

Is the Daniel 9:10 Lost Soul LoC only Promo going to have alternate artwork?

same question for the Wall of Protection LoC only Promo...

Godspeed,
Mike

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #227 on:** January 24, 2020, 12:38:46 PM »

Quote from: 777Godspeed on January 23, 2020, 06:10:02 PM

Is the Daniel 9:10 Lost Soul LoC only Promo going to have alternate artwork?

same question for the Wall of Protection LoC only Promo...

Godspeed,
Mike

The others have alternate artwork, so Wall of Protection should as well. There isn't a Daniel 9:10 LS yet, so there will probably just be the "normal" artwork.

thecoolguy · « **Reply #228 on:** January 24, 2020, 01:31:09 PM »

There is a wall of protection promo?

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #229 on:** January 24, 2020, 01:50:10 PM »

According to the Host Guide there is:

https://www.cactusgamedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Redemption-Tournament-Host-Application-2020.pdf

thecoolguy · « **Reply #230 on:** January 24, 2020, 02:34:14 PM »

Then we have 2 more spoilers on top of the other two

777Godspeed · « **Reply #231 on:** January 24, 2020, 03:16:14 PM »

Quote from: Crashfach2002 on January 24, 2020, 12:38:46 PM

There isn't a Daniel 9:10 LS yet, so there will probably just be the "normal" artwork.

#34 is the Daniel 9:10 Rare LS

it is also listed as one of the LoC only promos, so I was just wondering if there was going to be alternate artwork for it.

Godspeed,
Mike

The Guardian · « **Reply #232 on:** January 25, 2020, 01:29:25 AM »

For those who are unaware, the decision was made awhile back to replace the Daniel LS with a different card. I have moved some posts from this thread to the Moderator Only section as it was primarily moderators who were involved, and it did not seem necessary to continue a discussion on a card that is not in the set in the spoiler thread.

Gabe · « **Reply #233 on:** January 25, 2020, 10:04:53 AM »

Quote from: 777Godspeed on January 23, 2020, 06:10:02 PM

Is the Daniel 9:10 Lost Soul LoC only Promo going to have alternate artwork?

same question for the Wall of Protection LoC only Promo...

The WoP promo uses alternate art.

Spoiler (hover to show)

This one does not.

Spoiler (hover to show)

777Godspeed · « **Reply #234 on:** January 25, 2020, 10:48:59 AM »

I am diggin' them and can hardly wait to host some LoC only categories. All the LoC only promos look good. Thanks for offering the new formats and additional promos.

Godspeed,
Mike

CtheTree · « **Reply #235 on:** January 26, 2020, 12:20:36 AM »

Gabe: Am I reading your post right that the Daniel LS is now going to be a Promo? If so that is great! What does an LoC only promo exactly mean by the way?

Gabe · « **Reply #236 on:** January 26, 2020, 12:39:24 AM »

Quote from: CtheTree on January 26, 2020, 12:20:36 AM

Gabe: Am I reading your post right that the Daniel LS is now going to be a Promo? If so that is great! What does an LoC only promo exactly mean by the way?

You can check out the details here.

Sean · « **Reply #237 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:40:34 PM »

Ambushed Moabites
"Negate discard abilities on your evil cards. Each upkeep, you must discard another evil O.T. human in territory."

Reg Entry for "Your"
Several cards in Redemption® refer to cards that are “your” cards (e.g., your priest, your
Heroes, your demons, your warrior class Evil Character). For a card to be considered “your”
card, you must be the owner of the card as well as have control of the card. “Your” ability is
an ability on “your” card.

How does Ambushed Moabites work? The way I'm reading "your" I would presume that "you" in the second sentence in interpretted the same as "your" but the placing in another player's territory makes it so that that player does not satisfy the requirements for "your" and neither does the owner of the card.

Help, my brain is being ambushed by rules and definitions.

Watchman · « **Reply #238 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:52:22 PM »

@Sean keep in mind that this is a Fool card, so it’s supposed to go from your deck/hand to your opponent’s territory. The ability is designed to cause your opponent havoc, which is why it’s worded to target “your” cards. Once it’s given to your opp’s territory it becomes “his” card in effect, so the ability is supposed to target the controller of that card. It’s the same deal with Doomed Canaanites and Foolish Edomites.

Sean · « **Reply #239 on:** January 28, 2020, 03:17:13 PM »

I understand the intent but there are 2 requirements for 'your'. The 1st one is to own the card and the 2nd one is to control the card. Once placed into the opponent's territory those two requirements are no longer met.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #240 on:** January 28, 2020, 03:40:06 PM »

You made me go digging into the REG, Sean (not a bad thing) and this is what I found: (bolded for reference)
Take and Give
How to Play
● A take effect allows a player to gain control of cards they do not currently control. A give effect allows a player
to give control of cards they control to another player.
● Cards that are targeted by a take or give effect are moved from their previous location and put in a location the
player receiving the cards controls. Permanent control of the taken or given cards transfers to the player
receiving the cards.
● A take or give effect is permanent, unless a duration is specified. If a duration is specified, when the duration is
reached the Permanent Controller List is updated.
● A take or give effect targets the cards that are to be taken or given.
● Unless otherwise specified, targets must be in play.
● Unless otherwise specified, targets are moved to the hand of the player gaining control of the cards.
● All take and give effects are instant.
Special Conditions
● A take or give effect takes precedence over the “cards are only in their owner’s hands” aspect of face value.
That aspect of face value is suspended while the receiving player maintains control of the cards. All other
aspects of face value remain intact.

and

Control
When a player controls a card, that player may use the card as if it is their own, even if it is
not. There are two types of control: Temporary Control and Permanent Control.
Cards in decks, Reserves, discard piles, and banish piles are not controlled by any player.
Cards that a player controls that are face down on the playing surface are only controlled as
their known attributes. Cards that a player controls in hand are only controlled as cards.

The "Your" definition is pretty specific, but the * ability "Gives" the card to your opponent and they now "Control" it, thus it works. There may be a little more involved, but this is what I found

Godspeed,
Mike

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #241 on:** January 28, 2020, 03:40:43 PM »

Ambushed Moabites looks at who owns and controls the evil cards with discard abilities, not necessarily at itself. It is not owned and controlled by the same player, so it doesn't negate itself. Unless you put it in your territory, in which case it does negate itself.

"You" is always read from the perspective of who controls the card and doesn't care about ownership.

Sean · « **Reply #242 on:** January 28, 2020, 04:00:03 PM »

Thanks Aggie but I'm still not seeing how the 1st sentence of the special ability is allowed to do anything based on the definition of 'your'. I'm good with Mike's explanation if it is correct but it also would contradict the definition of 'your' if it is correct.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #243 on:** January 28, 2020, 04:07:13 PM »

Cards are always read from the perspective of the controller. When Ambushed Moabites activates, it checks all evil cards on the table to see which are "yours" (the controller's) and negates any discard abilities on them. When new evil cards are played, Ambushed Moabites checks to see if they are "yours" (the controller's)and negates any discard abilities on them.

Ambushed Moabites fails the "yours" check UNLESS the owner puts in their own territory, in which case it does negate itself. But in general, it only cares who controls it, not who owns it. "Your" checks the target card(s), not the card on which it is on.

Sean · « **Reply #244 on:** January 28, 2020, 04:12:21 PM »

OK, I think I got it. Thanks!

Sean · « **Reply #245 on:** January 30, 2020, 07:58:43 PM »

Predictions based off Alphabetical order

Card 205 will have "Assyrian" as the first word in the title. This will be a generic evil character and will have a banding ability that works within the Assyrian theme.

Card 209 will be a reprint of King Shalmaneser V or The Rabsaris

Gabe · « **Reply #246 on:** January 31, 2020, 04:49:34 PM »

LoC Con deck 4 of 5 just went live on LoR!

http://landofredemption.com/?p=10335

Quote from: Sean on January 30, 2020, 07:58:43 PM

Predictions based off Alphabetical order

Card 205 will have "Assyrian" as the first word in the title. This will be a generic evil character and will have a banding ability that works within the Assyrian theme.

Card 209 will be a reprint of King Shalmaneser V or The Rabsaris

Excellent guesses! I take it you aren't aware that all of the card names were spoiled on LoR in the form of a check list for LoC?

Sean · « **Reply #247 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:41:41 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on January 31, 2020, 04:49:34 PM

LoC Con deck 4 of 5 just went live on LoR!

http://landofredemption.com/?p=10335

Quote from: Sean on January 30, 2020, 07:58:43 PM
Predictions based off Alphabetical order

Card 205 will have "Assyrian" as the first word in the title. This will be a generic evil character and will have a banding ability that works within the Assyrian theme.

Card 209 will be a reprint of King Shalmaneser V or The Rabsaris
Excellent guesses! I take it you aren't aware that all of the card names were spoiled on LoR in the form of a check list for LoC?

100% correct

There is a type-o for Throne of David

Gabe · « **Reply #248 on:** February 03, 2020, 09:07:04 AM »

The 5th and final LoC Constructed deck went live on Land of Redemption today. Be sure to check out the "meek" offense and Assyrians!

777Godspeed · « **Reply #249 on:** February 17, 2020, 02:48:20 PM »

With LoC Super Pack Display boxes will it be more likely to put together a complete set (URs aside) with 2 Super Pack Display boxes than with 3 Regular Pack Display boxes? Just wondering...

Godspeed,
Mike

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Author Topic: Lineage of Christ (Spoilers) (Read 112891 times)