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Here's a couple cards that feel like a throwback to PoC.

God used Jehoiada to keep the LoC going despite Athaliah's best efforts. When Jehoiada and young Joash reclaimed the kingdom the led the people to repent and turn from their idol worship. That included tearing down the house of Baal and killing this evil priest.

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This next card may feel like he doesn't belong in LoC at first, but he's the son of Jehoiada. I believe he's the only known cloud Hero we haven't printed to date.

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After his father's death king Joash of the LoC turned bad. When Zechariah confronted him he has the priest's son killed in the Temple courts.

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So, with Led Astray a Dominant, are there 4 total Dominants (excluding a possible legacy rare) in the set?

If Led Astray is card 4 and we've ordered them by type then I agree that it's pretty logical that we'll see 2 more Dominants. I'm pretty sure the names of those have already been spoiled.

Can you play Awesome Things before a blocker is presented?  And thereby play the Enhancement pre-block?

Yes.

Awwwww...

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I was really hoping this was just going to be a rare. I don't hate it because it enables Daniel decks, but I do hate that it's taking an UR spot. Just for booster alone this would be really disappointing to open.

I mentioned some time ago that a full art no-sa Daniel LS would be great for new starters. Gives starters a chase card which they don't really ever have, and it's simple enough to acquire that those who actually want multiples can get them. I would really love that! On the other hand, as an UR in a set limited to 6 URs? No thanks. Imagine down the line, if the Foretelling Angel Daniel decks ever become too powerful and consistent that it's deemed Foretelling Angel would be better off gone. Suddenly, this LS becomes worthless in both booster and constructed.

I'd much rather see just about anything else as an UR over a card you need 5+ of to squeeze any sort of value from. But maybe that's just me.

Copying my thoughts on the rarity of the Daniel Lost Soul. This is my main comment from the Discord discussion:

To chime in again on the daniel lost soul, in my first comment I said that either its not in demand and its disappointing to open, or it is in demand and its prohibitively expensive for anyone to obtain 7. I have many people address the "disappointing to open" factor and while I think its a valid concern it is not my primary one. I dont necessarily believe that every single UR must be a sought after card. I have NOT seen a valid response to the potential future where the card is in demand. In all likelihood the 100% daniel deck is still a meme and not competitive. In that scenario, basically no one will ever be able to play it in paper because it wont be affordable to obtain 7 URs just for a silly, fun deck. That's a bad scenario. This could have been a simple, entry level Johnny deck but now that will never be possible. The other option is that it IS good, and now theres a top tier strategy that only the players with the biggest budgets can afford to play. This is also a bad scenario, and in fact is even worse.

By making this, or any card that requires so many copies, an UR, you're creating only negative scenarios. I genuinely do not know of a single good reason to put this at UR and I can think of many bad ones, as can the rest of the community as has been shown.

Frankly I'm shocked that the rarity wasnt a joke and am kind of in disbelief that the leadership team allowed such an objectively terrible idea to get this far

Quote from: Kor on December 15, 2019, 03:40:11 PM

Quote from: AndyDevine1981 on December 15, 2019, 03:36:32 PM

Wasn't there another LS nicknamed "shame" or am I thinking of something else?

This is a legacy rare of that soul...?  Or do you mean something else?

I mean a completely different one.  I am aware this is a LR.

Then I suppose it is possible one did have that nickname somewhere, sometime, but I am not aware of such.

Yes that’s the Shame Lost soul from RoA that’s being made into an LR for LoC. Gabe posted it as a pun in response to KtD’s post about not knowing why the UR status of that meek soul would pass the card creation team. Gabe has “shame” for allowing that to happen.

I don't think that was what was said.

That’s how it read to me.  What else was it meant to mean then?

  I'm more assuming it was a "shame" it didn't happen to end up as UR.

I just thought the irony is funny after a couple people implied that the elders should be ashamed for making an UR meek LS. I’m not attempting to convey personal feelings either way.

because itmight be there is new ones in the future is the guess i have

I am curious as to why Mary does not also have white and/or gold brigade?  Wondering mostly if the elders are moving away from the traditional female theme for white and Luke/John for gold?  Or is this just another situation like all the versions of David?

It's similar to we have different versions of David where there are different brigades and the abilities focus on different roles he played during his lifetime. We have a really powerful white version of "Mary" in The Woman with Child. The LoC version of Mary and Joseph are focused on their role as the culmination of the lineage. We have future plans to make a version of both Mary and Joseph (plus associated cards) that tie more closely to the N.T. era.

So the playtesters don’t feel Ruth is too OP/broken when combined with new Bethlehem?  She’s CBN protecting all of the Ruth heroes from three different battle-winning abilities. On top of this, Ruth enhs are CBN?  This feels like the makings of another AUTO/Gideon situation.