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That would be amazing!!!

Ya know since there is already a Balaam LR and now showing for a CoM LR a Covenant with Death LR would make A Covenant with Death deck wayyy cooler.
I am hoping for a Covenant with Death LR if you couldn't tell, or a Rams Horn LR now THAT would be awesome.

Ram's Horn, granting blanket CBI to enhancements used by warriors and priests (a large group of heroes), probably won't get a reprint in my opinion.  It was a crucial piece of the Children of the Light combo where you couldn't do anything about CotL due to CBI protection.

Yeah.... understandable am I the only one that misses coney??? Yo I loved playing it and against it. it was so fun. any ways heres hoping for CoD?
(I just realized Covenant of Death has the same initials as Call of Duty  )

I have played a rather large number of games with CoL and it certainly is fun to play but I think you are in the extreme minority for considering it fun to play against

Yeah thats what I thought.... it would be awesome tho  . I loved coney tho    and I think your right I am among the minority that likes it

Update to the Great Image artwork:

I received a reply and he is the same Michael Carroll who did the GI artwork. Unfortunately, he no longer has the original image. He stated, however, that perhaps he could do an updated one and requested Rob Anderson’s contact info, which I provided him with.

Just curious if there has been any movement here?  I know it is still being worked out if LRs will be released with PoC2 or after the sets are combined, but if the goal would be with PoC2 release them I am wondering how long it will take to recreate the Great Image art.

I feel it could be a potential threat because you could make ten CBP with Jericho as long as you can give your opponent a cloud hero and then that isn’t a CBP potential 8 hero’s killed in the territory wich could be a bad thing but idk if that would be a scary thing or an awesome thing to add to redemption

I'm a little torn. On one hand I don't think it's that much of a problem. Assyrians have so many good generic characters that it's unlikely you'll want to fit in eight Archers when you could run Survivors and a couple Siege Armies instead. Maybe like six, but I don't think eight will be common.

On the other hand, the old Archer+2kH+FH combo is even better when you're discarding eight heroes in opponent's territory.

Love the art, though.

My thoughts are similar although it's not the "8 Hero discard" I'm concerned about because that will be fairly uncommon (and anyone who walks into that deserves what they get). However, it's the consistency that the "3-4 Hero + Artifact/Fort discard" would now have, which players might be forced to walk into or just sit there stuck.

If it has to be toned down maybe limit the number per deck with an identifier?  Or maybe alter the special ability in some way to limit the strength?  The scripture is a prophesy against Assyria so there could be a tie in there either with Isaiah, King Hezekiah, or something along those lines?

Since this is a Legacy Rare, we are not going to be changing the card at all except to print it on the new card face and potentially give it the new artwork. However, because of the deck building rules with generic characters, players would be able to use both versions in a 50 card T1 deck or 4 copies of each version in a T2 deck (like they can use all versions of characters like Pharisees and Sadducees).

We found and obtained the rights to use a new piece of art for Assyrian Archers LR. Since it is a generic character this will allow 2 in T1 and 8 in T2. We're especially looking for feedback from T2 players as to whether or not they feel that is a problem.

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First off, that new art looks so much better, great job.

Secondly, for T2 Archers:

This is not even close to being a problem.  The 'dream scenario' of you having all 8 archers, siege army, horses and forgotten history PLUS your opponent having 8 unprotected heroes in territory will never happen.  As The Guardian says, the 3-4 plus siege is much more likely, but still not a problem, because if it was a problem, it would already be happening!  Archers of Kedar could easily fill in for copies 5-8, and 4x The Deceiver could also add the extra consistancy.  Actually that would arguably be better anyway because you would gain access to an additional color for another 4x end the battle. 

Are these decks running around dominating right now? No.  Why?  The big reason is: The effect doesn't scale well.  What that means is, generally there might be 1 or 2 Heroes in a territory that you care about killing on any given turn.  Anything beyond that is just wasted.  And after you do that once or twice your opponent will probably not have any Heroes in territory so the effect will do nothing.  And if you are not using the interrupt>end the battle trick, you are really just trading 1 for 1 evil cards for Heroes which isn't particularly groundbreaking either.  At that rate I would rather just have 4 Babylonians in territory and use Nergalsharezzar>Horses>Head of Gold and capture important evil characters as well!  Or use Great Image and kill all opponent's Heroes with just 1 card (side note, Great Image doesn't even make the cut in my decks).  Or use Magic Charms and 2 for 1.  Or use Haman's Plot and 3 for 1. ETC.

Please do not let unfounded fear prevent us from getting an AMAZING looking new art for this card.

Coming from someone who is admittedly a bit concerned, I think you make a lot of great points.

There are a few counter points to your arguments though. The Archers of Kedar example is definitely worth noting, but you still need to have at least 1 Pale Green EC to play the Horses/FH on therefore the consistency will be somewhat less than just a straight 8 pale green Archers.

With Great Image, yes it does all the discarding with 1 card, but that's all it does. It does not give you the opportunity to win the current battle. If all the Archers could do was band and use weapons, they'd still be worth playing (at least a couple) but it's the addition of the free discard potential that really makes them strong. There's also multi-player to consider...shooting 8 Heroes every time you're attacked is actually kind of feasible in a 4 player multi-player game--especially if one player has protected Heroes and just wants to let you shoot everyone else on the table. 

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It is as you say copies 1-2 are decent even without the discard (and the deceiver can find those).  Copies 3-8 are not. After the first couple copies I would much rather have something else to give me options.

As for multiplayer, I tend to find archers to be very risky, as they tend to get banded to on someone else’s turn and then kill off my heroes and themselves putting me very far behind.

I don't think I've used four Assyrian Archers in any Assyrian defense in the last 5+ years. Maybe that's a mistake on my end, but I don't really think it would be that much of an issue. 8 Archers would generally be about half your ECs in most T2 decks and with all the options currently available and some of the best also being generic (ASA and Survivor). It has potential to be pretty good but I don't find it too worrisome.

I don't know about anyone else... but I find the original art to be nostalgic and would prefer that. The original art isn't horrible either, unlike the original Nero's art.