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Deceit of Saphiria, then?

If it's not Grapes I'll be disappointed...

The Lost Souls card.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Lost Souls abuse can accomplish that.

Liner is OT though. Also I doubt they would reprint a banned card.

I guess my attempt at humor could be confusing to some if they are not aware of the ban.

However, on a more serious note, because it fits all and goes along with POC, my guess is:

Birth Foretold

If memory serves we did discuss Revealer, but there was an issue. Either Rob doesn't want to re-use any Angel Wars art or we decided we'd much rather use that particular artwork on a much better card (or an upgraded version of Revealer). I don't recall which it was though...

We might need a new clue giving philosophy here, seems like we're not getting very far

So, Philosophy is technically an N.T. enhancement on good. I doubt that's it, and I'm probably grasping at straws, but...

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Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on February 17, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

We might need a new clue giving philosophy here, seems like we're not getting very far

So, Philosophy is technically an N.T. enhancement on good. I doubt that's it, and I'm probably grasping at straws, but...

It could also be Vain Philosophy.

Do we have a winner?

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We have a winner!

Bonus mini-spoiler, as people may ask why we picked this particular card, I will say there may or may not be one, or more cards that could interact with Vain in phase 2

Quote from: The Guardian on February 17, 2019, 05:15:19 PM

We should probably offer clues so I'll begin with one...

The last will be the first...

This will be the first Legacy Rare from a card that's already on the new card face. 

While I did realize that (it was one of the reasons I wasn't thinking about the fourth edition starter deck much), that was not what I got out of the clue... I kinda misremembered it and thought "first will be last" and since Vain Philosophy puts a card from hand at the bottom of a deck (hand is first and bottom of deck is last)... but then again at that point I just ran through all the clues in my head and made sure it nothing was completely off.

Well it wouldn't have been as much fun if we had starter off with an easy clue now would it...

This clue was really helpful... in addition to the one that said "Philosophy".

Why was VP chosen to be a legacy rare? Seems too contemporary to take up a LR slot when there are older cards that could use updating.

Seems to me that someone might have wanted more dominants with full card art...

 

You can’t fully understand until you see how Vain we’ve become in phase 2. Even then you still might not approve, but at least it’ll make more sense. 

Well that’s interesting. I definitely like VP and used it in competitive decks so I’m curious to see how it ties in to phase II.

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These dudes have long been one of my favorite ECs... really looking forward to having a new look for them. 

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I like the new Astrologers. My only hiccup is the ability wording "and opponent must discard their card in territory" feels a little wonky. Maybe something like "and opponent must discard a card in their territory" or "and opponent must discard a card from their territory". It is just a feeling and I know it will go away. Otherwise, beautiful full art Legacy Rare.

Godspeed,
Mike

Good point, Mike. As it reads I could see it meaning that the opponent has to discard their card from your territory which is either confusing language or very different than the original Astrologers. I'll update the wording provided the other guys on the team agree.

Doing that will change the ability from the original, ever so slightly. As it is now, the opponent must own the card they discard (their card). Were it to be changed (a card in their territory), it could mean they discard something like Destructive Sin or another card they don't necessarily own, but have on their playing side.

Might not make much of a difference, but it would be different from the original.

I agree with you on this, so I went back to see how much of a difference it might make. It seems the current wording would also allow your opponent to discard one of their Lost Souls. The wording on the TxP version does not allow that to happen. I think the current wording on the LR should really be looked at for unintended consequences.

Godspeed,
Mike

If a site with a soul in it was targeted for discard would the soul follow? I don't have the REG handy at the moment.

Godspeed,
Mike